I was recently asked where Vocational Experts get their information from?

There a number of sources Vocational Experts use:

• The Dictionary of Occupational Titles
• Selected Characteristics of Occupations
• Job surveys performed by the Vocational Expert
• Services Vocational Experts sign up for which provide job titles, requirements and national and regional job numbers. 

If you are working with a lawyer, he or she probably has at least some of these and can verify the skill level, exertional and non-exertional requirements of a jobs the Vocational Expert testified about.

I was recently asked the following:

I had my hearing today. The judge had a vocational rep come in to testify. He said I had two job options.

… I live in a small town that probably does not offer the two jobs the vocational expert said I could do.

Can the judge deny me for being able to do jobs that don’t exist in my town?

First, keep in mind that the Vocational Expert testifies about two things:

1. Job Titles. These are the kinds of jobs you can still perform despite your limitations. Examples of jobs the vocational expert may cite are:  call out operator, surveillance systems monitor, information clerk, cashier, stocker, etc.
2. Incidence of jobs. This is the number of jobs for each job title.

Second, Social Security considers jobs on a national and regional level. The region is the state a person lives in. 

If there are a significant number of jobs which you can still do at a substantial gainful activity level in the regional economy, then you can be denied.  

How many jobs make up a “significant number of jobs?”

That is hard to say. There is a rule of thumb that 1,000 jobs (not job titles) within a region is a significant number of jobs and enough to deny you. However, there is no bright line rule about how many jobs are a “significant number.”

If the Vocational Expert says that you can still work as an “Information Clerk” and there are 30,000 Information Clerk positions nationally, and 1,200 in the region (state), you may be denied.  Note: these numbers are made up for this example.

But, what if there aren’t any “Information Clerk” jobs in my town?

Unfortunately, Social Security does not consider the availability of jobs in your town, so long as they exist in your “region.” Not only that, Social Security also does not consider:

• The number of job openings for any of the cited jobs.
• Whether a person can actually get hired for any of the cited jobs. 

It is quite possible to be denied because you are theoretically capable to do a job that does not exist in your home town. Or, there are no job openings. Or, there are job openings, but you cannot get hired for that job.  

Social Security is a difficult system. You just have to keep trying and it really helps to have a skilled lawyer assisting you.

Under Social Security regulations, it is not enough to have a disability (a diagnosed medical condition). Your condition has to be severe enough to be prevent you from being able to engage in a “substantial gainful activity;” typically full time, competitive, employment.  If you cannot show that your condition keeps you from being able to work, you will probably lose your case. 

At the hearing, the Administrative Law Judge (ALJ) has a Vocational Expert testify about the the kinds of jobs are available, and how work-place limitations affect your ability to perform those jobs.  

Basically, the Vocational Expert answers two questions for the judge (phrased as hypotheticals):

1. Can you still perform any of the jobs you have done over the last 15 years?
2. Can you still perform any other jobs which exist in substantial numbers in the national economy?

The judge uses the vocational expert’s answers to decide if you can still work (and therefore, whether you are disabled).  This makes the vocational expert’s role extremely important!

Bloomington Illinois Social Security Lawyer Dirk May wrote an interesting article a while back about vocational experts:

What do you do when the judge turns to the vocational expert and gives him the hypothetical question?

You need to listen carefully to the type of limitations the judge provides to the vocational expert. If you have a limitation that he does not list or that is in your medical records you need to ask the expert about the effect the limitation would have on your past work.

The vocational expert will often be asked to provide examples of jobs you could perform based on your limitations. Once again, listen carefully for the types of jobs listed. If you do not understand the job duties ask for details. Listen for the exertional level, such as sedentary or light. Ask what makes the particular job sedentary or light.

Typically, the Judge will ask vocational expert two or sometimes three sets of hypotheticals based on different limitations.  

• The first set of hypotheticals may be based a form a Social Security doctor or technician filled out about your limitations.  
• The second set may be based on a what your doctors have said about your limitations.  This often gives you your best chance of winning.  You have gotten your doctors to describe your limitations haven’t you?  
• The last set of questions may be a mash up of what the Social Security doctor has said, what your doctor has said, and what you said during the hearing. 

Here is the $64,000 question:  if the judge asks three sets of questions, and gets three different (even conflicting) answers … which set of answers will the judge use to decide if you are disabled or not?

The only way to even try to answer this is to have done a lot of hearings with that judge and really know the Social Security rules and regulations.  Only then, can you hope to read the judge.  In other words, you really need to have an attorney by your side.

Read the rest of Dirk May’s article here.

Did you hear any strange questions, or answers, at your Social Security hearing? Share your experiences in the comments?