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What does the “vocational expert” do at a Social Security hearing?


Under Social Security regulations, it is not enough to have a disability (a diagnosed medical condition). Your condition has to be severe enough to be prevent you from being able to engage in a “substantial gainful activity;” typically full time, competitive, employment.  If you cannot show that your condition keeps you from being able to work, you will probably lose your case. 

At the hearing, the Administrative Law Judge (ALJ) has a Vocational Expert testify about the the kinds of jobs are available, and how work-place limitations affect your ability to perform those jobs.  

Basically, the Vocational Expert answers two questions for the judge (phrased as hypotheticals):

  1. Can you still perform any of the jobs you have done over the last 15 years?
  2. Can you still perform any other jobs which exist in substantial numbers in the national economy?

The judge uses the vocational expert’s answers to decide if you can still work (and therefore, whether you are disabled).  This makes the vocational expert’s role extremely important!

Bloomington Illinois Social Security Lawyer Dirk May wrote an interesting article a while back about vocational experts:

What do you do when the judge turns to the vocational expert and gives him the hypothetical question?

You need to listen carefully to the type of limitations the judge provides to the vocational expert. If you have a limitation that he does not list or that is in your medical records you need to ask the expert about the effect the limitation would have on your past work.

The vocational expert will often be asked to provide examples of jobs you could perform based on your limitations. Once again, listen carefully for the types of jobs listed. If you do not understand the job duties ask for details. Listen for the exertional level, such as sedentary or light. Ask what makes the particular job sedentary or light.

Typically, the Judge will ask vocational expert two or sometimes three sets of hypotheticals based on different limitations.  

  • The first set of hypotheticals may be based a form a Social Security doctor or technician filled out about your limitations.  
  • The second set may be based on a what your doctors have said about your limitations.  This often gives you your best chance of winning.  You have gotten your doctors to describe your limitations haven’t you?  
  • The last set of questions may be a mash up of what the Social Security doctor has said, what your doctor has said, and what you said during the hearing. 

Here is the $64,000 question:  if the judge asks three sets of questions, and gets three different (even conflicting) answers … which set of answers will the judge use to decide if you are disabled or not?

The only way to even try to answer this is to have done a lot of hearings with that judge and really know the Social Security rules and regulations.  Only then, can you hope to read the judge.  In other words, you really need to have an attorney by your side.

Read the rest of Dirk May’s article here.

Did you hear any strange questions, or answers, at your Social Security hearing? Share your experiences in the comments?

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  • SoA.D.D
    I just had my hearing on wednesday. I have Always been depressed as far as remembered. I have anxiety disorder as well as bipolar disorder, o.c.d & other issues. including the fact I am a recovering meth addict (2 yrs clean) Feb,8. 2006 I overdosed on liquid morphine. I died. After an 8 hr coma I awoke. I have brain damage now, I was not supposed to live!
    -My point: During my hearing the questions directed at me where surrounding the facts of my past meth use. If I can take care of my daughter. things like this. I was not asked once about my time in hospital, how i have to write Everything down or i go in circles, or how everyday (even with the help of prozac) that I cant help but feel I am a wasted space! I am scared because I did not get a chance to spit out the things I was NOt able to remember that effect my life everyday! i fear after waiting 2-1/2 years that this hearing probably got me nowhere. at the end the ssi lady named off a couple things saying Un-skilled light... then after all she mentioned maybe light night janitorial. I am trying to have my attorney somehow submit the important info that was left out, before her decision is made. Think I can re-do the hearing/have a chance to submit documents to judge?
  • Dear SaA.D.D.

    Thank you for taking the time to comment.

    You mention that you have a lawyer. Talk to him or her. Your lawyer is on your side and is in a much better position to answer your questions.

    Generally, there are no "do-overs" with hearings. But yes, some judges will allow you to provide "supplemental evidence" even after the hearing.

    If you feel you were not able to tell the judge what you wanted her to know, it possible to request a "supplemental hearing." But, I do not think the chances of the judge approving that would be too high. Again, talk to your lawyer about this.

    If you feel that there were things that were left out, you could discuss those in a letter to the judge.

    The main thing is that you have a lawyer who knows you and knows your case. Talk to your lawyer to discuss your options.

    Good luck!
  • Luiz
    "Think I can re-do the hearing/have a chance to submit documents to judge?"

    Maybe. But be prepared to submit additional post-hrg evidence from your treating source about the dysfunction caused by the non-exertional impairment, since the GRIDs can not be used when non-exertional impairments are eleged. It will used, if your atty. file an appeal. Falls Church LOVES remands based in newly submitted evidence.
  • robin
    i had a hearing about a month ago,the vocational expert said there was no work in the united states i could perform and not even my past job .do u think that help me win my case.
  • That's great! However, the judge at the hearing typically asks the vocational expert several questions -- several hypotheticals. If the vocational expert said there was no jobs for *any* of the hypotheticals, then I would say it looks good.
    I will keep my fingers crossed for you. Good luck!
  • walter woodward
    I recently had a ssa before judge ivar avots in SC. The vocational expert stated in 2 of the 3 hypotheticals that there was work for me. In the 3rd he told the judge the was no work for me to do. The judge gave me an unfavorable ruling. It took me 34 months to get a hearing from the time I signed up for ss. So I guess the vocational expert was not heard because he slept through most of the hearing. It really bad when you are told there's no work for you but the judge thinks there is. Judge avots denial rate has rose in the past 2 years. I guess ssa told him to slow down on his approval rate. Don't know what my lawyer has in store but I'm waiting to hear.
  • It all depends on which hypothetical the judge ends up using. At almost every hearing I have seen, one hypothetical allows some work, one precludes all work and one is somewhere in the middle.

    Just because one hypothetical resulted in the vocational expert saying there was not work, does not mean the judge will use that hypothetical in making his/her decision.

    Good luck on the appeal.
  • Disgruntled
    Disability is not a choice. Pain causes mental anguish and is hard to deal with if not impossible to deal with at a job. When people have had enough, their mental anguish resorts to violence. If you've got nothing left, you've got nothing to loose. The system needs to get its head out of its rear end and get moving toward a solution.
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